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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Here's video that Relix had on their webpage. Bobby looks really out of it.
I have to say though: I have no problem with the band finishing the show after the incident. I do have a problem, however, with the band not stopping the song when your 66 year old band mate collapsed and is obviously out of it. This could have been something really serious and it just shocks me that the band didn't even miss a beat.
I get the whole professionalism and "the show must go on" bit, and in other circumstances I might even admire their ability to focus like that. But to see John just sidestep Bobby, and Phil (who has worked intimately with Bobby for almost 50 years) just glance over and continue on as if nothing had happened is a little disturbing to me. Bob Weir collapsed on stage last night and had to be helped off stage... Get Well Bobby!
http://tinyurl.com/BobbyCollapses

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 26, 2013 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Never mind how I stumble and fall?

OK, here's what's most upsetting to me about all this. Other than what has already been said.

1. Phil has written about how they all watched Jerry basically die on stage and did nothing and how horrible it felt, and others have talked and written for years about the GD ignore-the-problem mode, and he/they are STILL DOING IT. OK, maybe they knew Bob had a problem and argued and were pissed and all ... maybe ... but if so, how exactly is that different from what happened with Jerry? Except that Bob actually fell in public?

2. Drop the PR BS and have some respect for the audience and truth, Phil. Seriously. "Sprained shoulder"? Is there a video of what he said? I'm holding out a scrap of hope that it was more than that, but it seems he really did dish out the press-release bull and try to spin like a corporate hack after an oil spill. Except the hacks do it better. At least if he's going to do the PR bull route he could do it WELL. Add a little truthiness. Like, "he sprained his shoulder and it seems he took an Ambien instead of his pain meds." Undoubtedly not the whole/real story, but claiming that a guy who looked dead-drunk on stage and then fell over had a sprained shoulder is the worst sort of disrespect for whoever is listening: audience, fans, everyone.




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Poster: jerrygarciafan Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Get well soon, Bobby. Us Deadheads send our sincere wishes. Maybe a little rest will be good. Recharge your batteries, then get back out there with Furthur and do your thing. Cheers, brother. You're a true American hero, no doubt.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

verbatim

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Poster: Scrim Date: Apr 26, 2013 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

The way he was leaning, I think he had a few too many martinis before the show! It might be time to go out to pasture, it's been a good run Bobby.

My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no
Its gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin slow
Still I know I lead the way, they tell me where I go.

Don't worry about me, no no no, don't worry about me, no

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

No one's gonna comment on the fact that even if Bob doesn't collapse, Phil and the band sound like complete shit, huh?

Listen, any speculation on what happened to Weir is just that--speculation. Could be drugs, could be a serious medical issue. Fact of the matter is, stopping the song would have been the right thing to do only b/c these guys so clearly suck that any attempt at going "Furthur" only inflicts pain and anguish on the audience. I am so sick of musicians--including the ones I revered more than any when they were the band I loved back in the day--going the way of Willie Mays with the '73 Mets.

They had an AMAZING run--one of the greatest in all Rock and Roll history, but it is time to HANG IT UP.

Go on speaking tours, sit in on an occasional light acoustic gig at a small club if you're invited...but this milking of all things "dead" and touring like you're still a band with any kind of chops left is going to end with something really REALLY bad....and Bobby's condition is pretty indicative of that right now.

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Poster: sproutsdream Date: Apr 27, 2013 2:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Are these statements coming from fans? I mean, sure they aren't always on point but they sound pretty good sometimes and I'm pretty sure they aren't trying to blow anyone's mind. They do it because it's WHAT THEY DO. If it's not good enough for you then don't buy a ticket.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 27, 2013 4:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

great first post , welcome .....


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ever try ricedream?

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Poster: listentothiseddie Date: Apr 27, 2013 12:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I disagree, in part, with your statement of them hanging it up.

I have seen them pull off a cryptical, the other one, golden road, dark star, death dont, born cross eyed, and other early songs really well. Often with energy as if it was the late sixties and a tightness like they never had back in the day. The musical ideas are often interesting and new, and it just works. I go back and listen to 68-69, and while there is a lot of hot shit in there, phil is better now then he was then, and face it, back in the day they were sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. But it was fun. However, I do not want to hear a cover of the grateful dead, or hear them do what they did. That is done, it is over, I expect Furthur to be different. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t, but I (usually) have a good time, which is about the same expectation I had with noddy Jerry by the 80's.

On the other hand, Furthur really needs to evaluate their tour schedule. It seems like everytime they do these long runs, or show->travel->show (repeat for 6 weeks), they sound tired, or Bobby loses his voice, or they are out of ideas. It isnt fair to us or them, there is no need to push yourself that hard.

Edit: ok, I will concede, this didn't come out quite like I meant it. Phil is experienced now, and nothing beats his work with the good ole grateful dead. But he is solid, his playing is creative to this day, and he still knows how to make a bass melodic and interesting and, well, awesome. Better wasn't the right word, because that isn't right, but he is consistent and doesn't slow down, or play a simple line either.
I'm just saying they don't slouch on the old tunes and just walk through them. Well at least Phil doesn't.
But even the best furthur, show is no Fillmore east, not even close.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Phil is better now...seriously? I mean SERIOUSLY? I agree that he is the only, repeat ONLY reason to see Futhur, but come on man. Thats like saying DSO is better than the Dead just because they are "tighter". Who cares that the music just lays there and does nothing it was freakin tight! Like a duck's ass.

Loose and sloppy was the real thing, this other stuff is Justin Bieber with a tye-dye on.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

LS, I like your style.

I think that LtE was perhaps overstationg the case given the emotionally charged day we've all experienced dealing with this tragedy, so I've decided to (metaphorically) assist him with this "stage stumble", and say, "please edit your post to say 'I like Phil more, but yeah, he is NOT literally better' and let it go at that"

;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 26, 2013 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

See my post re the clash "cover". Excruciating.

And something about birkenstocks on stage is bad enough, but when covering the clash ...(even if it is their poppiest/radio friendly song).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

They were playing a song???

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Like PG there is really only ONE explanation...

Like PG sez, the more I think about it, the more I am convinced my explanation above must fit.

Not sure about the rest of you, but VERY unfortunately, I can count on two hands how many friends/relatives collapsed in front of me over the 40 yrs of my "responsible adulthood".

The ONLY ones that got "no response" were the ones I loathed for their addictions, and had been "discussing" this issue w them beforehand...

Seriously; admitted here for the first and only time...happened twice.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 26, 2013 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Plan F

I think the band had dusted off the old "Man Down Protocol" that was first implemented in 1984 (sometimes called the "Fat Man Protocol"). This drill was practiced frequently in case of spontaneous gravitational decay by Jerry. It was decided that stage hands (the number of hands required was in direct proportion to the number of Twinkies consumed pre-show)were to quickly run on stage and remove the stricken band member while the music continued, hopefully reducing the negative effects on 20,000 doped out tweakers. When the Furthur tour promoters realized that the age of some band members was quickly approaching Jerry's waist size circa '85, they decided to bring it back for just such an occasion.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 26, 2013 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Plan F

Yeah, but they didn't remove him did they? if they had immediately removed him and attended to him that would be different, but they propped him up in a chair and basically let him carry on when he was obviously disoriented and couldn't even stand. And they left him up there looking like he was ready to pass out for at least 9 minutes. I don't care what the circumstance is, that's wrong.
I wonder if there are any union rules about that. I know music is different than other fields, but any other industry and there would be lawsuits over forcing an obviously incapacitated person to continue working.

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Poster: sproutsdream Date: Apr 27, 2013 4:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Plan F

neo-con bullshit does not belong here

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 26, 2013 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Plan F: Furthur Corporate Policy "Fat Man Protocol"

So let me get this straight...

The Furthur (and GDP before them) corporate policy is this: If a band member collapses on stage, the rest of the boys continue as if nothing happened and some stage hands come out and discreetly drag the body offstage?

Genius!

Seems appropriate for a band with 2 geriatric members.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 27, 2013 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Which one's Pink?

As Mr. Waters so eloquently put it "Welcome to the machine".

If you go with the Ambien theory, this might have been the conversation they had with Bob post-meltdown as they took him backstage for a quick dose of Ensure: "Can you stand up? I do believe it's working, good. That'll keep you going through the show..."

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 27, 2013 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which one's Pink?

geritol!!!

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Poster: beep* Date: Apr 27, 2013 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which one's Pink?

Was that a Floydian slip?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Apr 27, 2013 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Plan F: Furthur Corporate Policy 'Fat Man Protocol'

you think they should have pulled out the employee handbook mid-song??

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Poster: duckweed Date: Apr 26, 2013 5:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

That was truely embareassing, people paid money for that? perhaps it is time for a little break guys? bob we love ya but that is too much. get some rest hey.

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 26, 2013 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

that's the funniest thing i ever saw :)

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I was hoping you would weigh in!

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Poster: howdoidownloadsoundsboards Date: Apr 26, 2013 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I don't believe you found that funny for a moment. As usual you're waving your hat around looking for a reaction and some loose change. You're no longer fresh.

This post was modified by howdoidownloadsoundsboards on 2013-04-26 22:34:58

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 26, 2013 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

sorry to disappoint (+ I'm the opposite of a hand waiver as well) but i can't stop laughing every time (3x now but I'll stop, promise) i watch it.

how you can watch that and not laugh is beyond me

he's actually playing the guitar as he goes down :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Oh yeah--there is NO way that's not frickin funny...of course, being melodramatic, I insist on ignoring that and focusing on the sillyness of "what should the band mates have done?", with no real knowledge of the facts, etc., etc. (well, I do still think it's bizarre they ALL seemed stuck in time as it happens, and the JK guy actually steps away from the collapsing Bobby).

But yeah, that clip, in and of itself, is absurdly funny...

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 26, 2013 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Movie idea! Weekend at Bobby's.

Bobby kicks the bucket, but the boys have a big tour slated so they decide to delay the reports of Bobby's death and take his corpse on tour. Comedic madness ensues!

...or maybe that was already happening and he finally just tipped over.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 4:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

It would be fantastic: in the middle of PitB, the little recorder they inserted in his tar blackened chest gets stuck on the ONE phrase they were able to record prior to his death, and you know which one:

"...I don't trust in nuthin, I am just...just...
just shut the fuck up!
just shut the fuck up!
just shut the fuck up!"

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Poster: duckweed Date: Apr 26, 2013 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

This is embareassing people paid money for that? perhaps a wee break is in order, take care of yourself bob.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 26, 2013 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I thought he just stumbled then i see this and he flat out freakin fell down side ways like a tree. Not like haha he fell on his ass and tripped like one time in Oakland in 1990. This video makes me have just about zero respect for the band now. Especially Kadrick because he was RIGHT THERE and did NOTHING. But then again neither did Phil. I dont care how wasted he was ( looked like he was anyway )this is gross behavior not to even flinch. And just to say - who knows could be something else but peoples first instinct should be to freakin help.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Apr 27, 2013 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

i agree jots instict should take over and help.reminds me of the boston exp.not one person stopped to help that old guy up after he collasped just kept running.i remember helping many a head up who had to much at a show and dropped like a rock matter of fact several heads always moved in to help out. i know. ive fell out before and was helped back up to enjoy the show.

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Poster: howdoidownloadsoundsboards Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

That was just horrible to see. I don’t know if I’m proud of him for getting back on the horse so quickly or upset with how his handlers handled him as his band mates looked on.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Apr 27, 2013 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

The music never stopped!

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Poster: BVD Date: Apr 26, 2013 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Phil "This is Unbroken Chain" and Goddamn it we are going to get it right one of these years! Fuck Weir! Keep playing! This is MY song!"
Very sad.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Good one--maybe Phil heard him making noise, didn't even glance over, but yelled "STFU, Bob!", eh?

Humor is always appropriate, and that was funny, BVD...

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Poster: BVD Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Noise is right. I love the line in Cuckoos Nest (novel) I think it's during one of Chief Bromden's narrations when he's talking about the importance of humor. I think the line is this"Ya gotta laugh, even when things ain't so funny."

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Poster: PhD9 Date: Apr 27, 2013 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Here's the thing. Each of us is responsible for our own actions, and someone who self-medicates to the point of incapacity is solely responsible for the consequences. Trying to focus on what Phil and John might have done differently is to distract from the real problem.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 27, 2013 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Right.
And for a guy who recently was telling his audience to STFU at regular intervals needs to realize the social contract between audience and performer is a two way street- going on stage incapacitated is just as much a violation of said agreement as audience members who talk through a performance.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 27, 2013 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Spot on; I think that is part of why so many of us are both pissed and entertained by it...it's both pathetic and compelling.

The guy is really losing it, it seems to me; and if he'd been a more sympathetic character of late, we might have reacted differently, and for that matter, maybe that goes for his bandmates as well? But, when you add up the complaints about DL'd, the whining about college costs, the biz about hanging w the criminals at the Grove in Marin, yelling at the fans, charging an arm and a leg for shows in the N Bay...? Maybe fans are turning on him at one level?

Dunno.

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Poster: segan63 Date: Apr 27, 2013 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

http://i.imgur.com/vp51xAK.jpg

You got to have a sense of humor about it...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Apr 27, 2013 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Old man down!

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

"This could have been something really serious and it just shocks me that the band didn't even miss a beat."

Obviously I have no idea why Weir fell. If he was wasted on alcohol &/or pills, however, it's almost certain everyone on stage (including stage hands) realized the reason why he fell, and would explain their lack of concern.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 26, 2013 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I agree completely DD.

The issue here is not why he fell last night or his bandmates response to the tumble. The issue is that things like what happened last night are not isolated, discreet incidents.

Bob is not well and this is not news to his bandmates, though it does seem to be so with his admirers. Whether it's his hissyfits with his audience, stalking off the stage on his home turf in Marin County screaming 'stfu,' or last night, or the Weir'd 'El Paso' incident in 2010, (also during a long run in the NYC area), it's clear Bobby Ace is just not well. And that his performing days, for all intents and purposes related to musical competency and professionalism, may well be over.
Rumors as to what exactly the problem might be are not hard to find on-line; obviously I have no idea but there's plenty of them out there. One might actually be the case.
I think his bandmates have resolved that as long as he continues to insist on participating, these incidents are going to happen. And they'll deal with them as best they can. And hope at some point his family steps up and addresses the matter with Bob if they haven't already.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 26, 2013 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

This isn't a 25 year old kid who stumbles on stage. This is a senior citizen collapsing. There's no way anyone could have known at the time that this was not serious. Even if you knew , as the Relix article says , that he took muscle relaxers, how can you not react at all? I mean John just sidesteps him and Phil just casually glances over. Otherwise healthy looking senior citizens collapse and die all the time. I don't care what you know about what happened earlier, when an older person falls over, you don't just get them a chair and tell them to "carry on" as if nothing happened. You stop the song for a second and get him to a fucking hospital... NO EXCEPTIONS. I mean, come on. Bobby practically falls into John and that doesn't even warrant releasing your hand from the guitar for a second to steady him or you don't even lean over to ask him if he's ok? To not even skip a beat does not suggest professionalism, it suggests a lack of empathy.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: "lack of empathy" ~ spot on

PLUS ONE BIG on that PG. For the love of all that IS,
HELP A BROTHER UP!
Big minus to Phil and John. You could tell Bobby wasn't
too good at the start. If I was the drummer, I would have stopped dead and helped. But that's just me:
What ever happened to "One man gathers what another man
spills"???? Bobby's just Old and in the Way? Gimme a break.
Pahhh-thetic responses from brothers and bandmates...

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Poster: LikeWeir Date: Apr 27, 2013 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'lack of empathy' ~ spot on

Agree!

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Apr 26, 2013 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Agree 1000% - how can you continue to play while a senior citizen falls on stage regardless of why it happened? Are you friggin kidding me? If someone's grandfather was backstage at the show and stumbled out and fell would they stop - makes me think not.

Phil has the balls to give a donor wrap about helping people after all these shows - then can't walk 6 f'n feet to help a supposed "brother" up off the floor and make sure he's OK? Regardless of what the cause or what he knew, it's a family member. Be pissed later, after you know he's ok.

And then to have him actually sit in a chair looking like he's going into a coma for another 10 mins - I,m shocked no one jumped up on stage to check him if his supposed crew didn't care.

Makes me sick

Maybe this is a karma payback for weir sending Vince off to the hospital all alone in the back of a cab after an OD or walking off stage like a baby.

As much as I didn't like the whole Further and The Dead thing since 95 - I figured let them freak freely - but this is so disgusting - I just can't take it anymore.

It is EMBARRASSING - shit I'm embarrassed for them just watching

If anyone ever posts another thread about how great any of these new shows are - I'm going to puke

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 26, 2013 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I gotta agree with PG on this one.

Then again, this scares me:
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/118459/Then-and-Now-Furthur-Cover-The-Clash's-Train-In-Vain

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Apr 26, 2013 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

The more I think about this the madder I get.
Maybe even Bobby is so entrenched in the whole "show must go on" mentality that he actually thinks that this was handled correctly.
I think my thoughts would be something like "wow, when it comes down to it, finishing a song is more important to these guys than me."
He was obviously disoriented, and even if he insisted on staying on stage' it was reckless to allow him to remain there.
There's got to something short of a death on stage that will cause you to pause a song and I believe this qualifies.
Again, I have no problem with the show going on after you get him some medical attention. But you can't even stop ONE SONG when someone collapses?
With friends like these.... Right?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I am w you 100%; in ANY context I am familiar with, it wouldn't have even been an issue--not do you help, but how fast, since in most any setting merely the FEAR of a lawsuit (if it was MY place) would motivate the crap out of anyone around (me?)...independent of love and compassion (well, okay, I never really liked Bob, but I'd have jumped over to him RIGHT away regardless).

Strange.

Maybe it's just my scientific backgrd, but we take EVERYTHING so seriously these days--there's a significant chance that he was literally dying in front of them...maybe that freaked them and they froze?

My only explanation: if it was a wife beating alcoholic that I'd just ripped for showing up drunk, saying "I'll never carry your drunk ass again but e gotta go on", then sure, maybe I'd have let him fall...too harsh?

That's all I got.

:-(

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I think we don't know the whole story and what seems obvious may turn out to not be. Framed in that light.....

I'd hate to think that it's a Bobby v. The Other Ones thing and they made the conscious decision to demonstrate a "Screw him, he did it to himself" approach. I almost understand the "no pity for self inflicted wounds" thought process. Almost.

Then again, if they have been fighting him in the Green Room over his actions........

Still, at what point does making a statement get trumped by the need for basic human compassion?

Either way, I hope he gets things sorted out for the better. For all involved.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 26, 2013 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

John Kadlecik comments on the incident:

Bob wanted to play... if Phil, the crew & management couldn't talk him out of it, you think i have some magic power? This wasn't overpartying, btw, it was accidentally taking an ambien instead of a painkiller... the shoulder injury is real, & the white guitar just showed up the last couple of shows because it only weighs 3 or 4 lbs

1st reaction: holy ****, man down!
Then, I see several crew racing to help, going to be by his side faster than I can put my guitar down...
Next thought: what is Phil going to do? He's playing on... Bobby had help at this point, so the next person in need of support was Phil...

Pretty f*d up moment... but Bobby wanted to finish the show!
Sometimes the rock n roll life is not all rainbows & fairy dust...



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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 26, 2013 8:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK plus points

Plus points for JK for being the only one to comment in any slightly believable way. Or even at all, beyond Phil's apparent "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" statement. Nothing on the Furthur FB page or Bob Weir's page. Just silence.

Also, seems to me JK stopped playing a bit and actually looked while Bob initially stumbled around. Phil didn't even glance that way. I'm sure he has his reasons, presumably even complex ones, but don't we all have reasons for everything we do? Still doesn't make it right.

Once Bob was in the chair, both Phil and John were watching him carefully, it seems, but before that ... nothin'. Seems there should be some better way between "rainbows and fairy dust" and apparent callousness to a collapsing senior citizen brother, even if he did act like a wasted mule before going onstage. (Excuse me, a wasted mule on Ambien.)

The surreal thing is that, while watching it, I was actually enjoying the music. How much more weird, mixed up and bizarre it would be at the show. And onstage, too, of course. I get that. Lots of competing thoughts and priorities. But the reaction still seems WRONG, and the silence and lack of believable response (from all but JK, who at least says something reasonable) is compounding it all.

BTW, if Jambands.com is right, the original paragraph about everyone trying to talk Bob out of going on (and the Ambien) is now down. Which means either JK edited it himself or someone told him to. So silence wins. What's that, Sgt Schultz from Hogan's Heroes in charge of their PR?



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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 9:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK plus points

Well....I dunno what to make of it all; but, I will say the Forum was sure activated by the whole affair, eh? I don't think I've posted so much in one thread in yrs...

Yikes; where's my Ambien?

It does seem to reinforce that something has got to give with these guys; just stop already. I agree w the folks saying that more than ever.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 26, 2013 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: JK plus points

Well, I like how they sound and I personally would like to see them, so of course I don't actually want them to stop. Which I would have said in the 90s, too. (I don't currently "like how they sounded" in the 90s in comparison to the whole shebang of recordings we have now for context, but at the time, rightly or wrongly, I felt they sounded good.)

IMO they should cancel the next couple of gigs. After that they don't play until July. That's two months of R & R, and they need to take it while seriously reevaluating and trying to learn lessons from what happened with Jerry, the rotten way they've historically dealt with problems, yada yada. Not exactly a new idea to them, I'm sure, but all the more reason to take it seriously.

So I don't think "stop" should be the definite prescription, but they definitely need to put that on the table as a real option. I'm assuming Phil's restaurant schtick is his backup plan anyway. And it's not like he couldn't play with Phil and Friends and basically turn it into Furthur Minus Bob. Anyone who wants to play can play, but if Bob's problems aren't just a one-up (which they don't seem to be), they need to get serious about making sure that the Furthur GD "cover band" gravy train doesn't include a "cover" of the sad finale.







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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 27, 2013 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Love minus Zero points

I wonder how sticky a memory this will be? I have not watched the vid, but I was shown some awful stills (the worst was a seated BW hunched over his guitar, looking down at the floor). The fake Jerry I thought was fairly useless as a musician before, and after reading some of this thread I'm having a tough time not judging him in other ways. I think that is easier b/c with Phil this is fool me twice, the first being Jerry. I don't have the facts so I mostly don't want to add to the cacophony (I've had a few total non-GD folks email me about this which is very unusual), but there are some things that are universal. Somebody collapses and you deal with that as a medical emergency. Lord, when I first saw the stills I thought BW was having a stroke. Thank God he wasn't with the reaction from the fellow human beings around him. Break the damn fourth wall already! It is a dark filter added to Phil's legacy. I hope Bobby is O.K..

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 27, 2013 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Love minus Zero points

My feeling, and that's just me, is that a lot of the anti-fake Jerry reaction is based on what people already think. They don't like him, so he done bad. IMO they all done bad, but Phil's the real leader and he's the one who set the tone.

Well, that was one moment from apparently a long night of Stumblin' Bob. I've read descriptions of the whole show, and it seems this wasn't at all isolated. He was going hell-in-a-bucket on them from the start. What to me is even worse is the complete and utter silence since then.

I can excuse human failings and bad decisions, but I have a really hard time with a calculated policy of being treated like a fool. And I feel that all of us, right now, are being treated like fools and ignored and expected to just dance and shake in Atlantic City and forget it all.

Not cool guys. No one expects full disclosure, but how about a good old-fashioned down-to-earth SOMETHING?

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Poster: beep* Date: Apr 26, 2013 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

"Zolpidem (ambien) overdosage can be treated with the benzodiazepine receptor antagonist flumazenil, which displaces zolpidem from its binding site on the benzodiazepine receptor to rapidly reverse the effects of the zolpidem."

Note to Bobby handlers: always bring your benzodiazepine receptor antagonists to future shows.

Now children say that five times fast.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 26, 2013 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Ambien is the culprit again? Ambien got the blame for the 2010 Nokia Times Square incident. Gimme a break. How much trouble can one man have with a common sleep aid? This has just become so silly.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 26, 2013 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I wasn't aware of that, but it still could be a rational explanation especially since it seems Bob is on pain meds for the shoulder sprain. It is conceivable that he could take the wrong pill. Now, if he washed either pill down with "an adult beverage" it's all on him.

I kinda agree with JK about the crew being able to get to Bobby and render aid quicker than he or Phil could. That being said, it would've been nice to see either of them show a little more concern.

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Poster: Reade Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I totally get that UK. But we as viewers/listeners can only respond to what we saw and heard. Did you catch the part about how *everybody* strenuously urged him not to go on? Crew, Phil, management? There was a lot of context for this that we were not privy to.
Folks are being ridiculously judgmental towards JK in particular. A crew member was on top of the guy almost before he hit the ground. To hear some tell it Phil and the band "left his dead ass there by the side of the road." Just not the case.

And yes, the 'story' from 2010 is that he poured some red wie down on top of some Ambien.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Oh yeah--I am CRANKIER than the next guy w my disabilities, and understand completely where he might have gotten to drugs and pain med wise, but even at that, I THINK my kids and wife would at least not step outta the way as I fell on the stage...

Hmmm...

Damn; but yeah, I hope the best for the old bastard cause I look just like that on 3 out 5 days lately.

;)

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 26, 2013 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I've been in situations where complete strangers were stumbling or passing out and I've always stepped in to help. It's simply human compassion. We are all just people when such situations arise. Nobody expects a hero, but the apparent lack of concern is difficult to understand.

One thing we have learned in the past 20 years or so....there are exceptions to "the show must go on". Hey P.T. Barnum put down your fucking guitar and help your friend whose nearly collapsed upon you. Ya dick.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 26, 2013 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

I'm kind of leaning towards your way of thinking high. But I also can't help but think the "apparent lack of concern" might mean no one was surprised.

Regardless, soemthing isn't quite right about the way this went down.

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 26, 2013 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

Surprised or not, it's pretty damn callous to stand by and watch your buddy crumble in front of a large live audience and the entire internet.

I've had relatives with addiction problems and I completely understand the loss of respect and a certain hardening which occurs toward the addict. It is real, painful and may explain what happened on stage.

I'll just say that I am glad my "crucial moments" in life are not televised. We've all made questionable calls.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 26, 2013 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

+ 83

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 27, 2013 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: get Well Bobby.. Video of the Bobby incident last night.

The stage hands came to his help immediately. That is their job.

The musicians kept playing. That is their job.

I love Bobby dearly, but to expect the whole show to stop when he falls down is not reasonable. There is a middle ground in which medical attention and musical continuity are not mutually exclusive.